Graded Exercise Therapy for CFS /ME & FMS; Friend or Foe?
Most don’t understand WHY graded exercise therapy for CFS /ME/FMS reverses progress, yet many people that make full recovery list it as part of their reason for their success. Understanding WHY can make ALL the difference.
Anyone diagnosed with ME/CFS, and a great deal of those diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, know full well that if they push too hard, their energy levels crash like the Hindenburg. In fact, post-exertional malaise is even part of the criteria used for diagnosis of ME/CFS, so you have to ask yourself:
HOW ON EARTH COULD ANYONE SUGGEST GRADED EXERCISE THERAPY for CFS/ME AS A STRATEGY FOR RECOVERY?
Well, how about because it works....for some.
So let’s explore what’s wrong with two of the most common treatment strategies for ME/CFS/Fibromyalgia and why they don’t work for people. Only then can we explain how these strategies really DO work for people that use them correctly.
Have you wondered why so many people are so negative about graded exercise therapy for CFS /ME? It strikes me that it’s because most people who have tried it, sooner or later have the inevitable result of a painful crash as they climb that ‘graded’ slope. You keep pushing the envelope, increasing your activity ever so slowly, until eventually you crash. So the strategy is quickly discarded and a strategy of PACING is often adopted instead.

Pacing often becomes a key strategy for people with ME/CFS or Fibromyalgia. It basically means limiting your activity within the envelope where you can function without exacerbating your symptoms. But inevitably, even with the best efforts, a crash arrives sooner or later anyway, when something outside of your control happens. And whilst pacing is probably one of the most used coping mechanisms, it can be just as damaging to recovery efforts as its counterpart, the push and crash!
In fact, it’s my view that both strategies reinforce the underlying ANS dysfunction driving the illness cycle and can keep people from making a full recovery.
But surely, if you don’t do one, you have to do the other, right?
Wrong!
Why Graded Exercise Therapy For CFS/ME & Fibro Doesn’t Work For Most People
Could it be because people are not doing it right? Could the success of graded exercise therapy for CFS /ME/FMS be that it is ALL IN THE DETAILS?
First, we need to understand why the fatigue and symptom exacerbations occur after exercise. This is covered in a little more detail in CFS Unravelled, but let me summarise one aspect of it here.
Energy is required in every cell in our body, for just about every process. This energy comes from a molecule called Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP). Tri phosphate, meaning 3 phosphate ions. This molecule gives up its energy by shedding a single phosphate ion to form Adenosine Diphosphate (ADP), Diphophate meaning two phosphate ions. And ADP gets recycled to ATP mainly in parts of our cell called mitochondria. This normally happens 100’s of times a day. However, this process in people with ME/CFS and Fibro becomes diminished and is often referred to as mitochondrial dysfunction.
Without going into the complex mechanics of it all, simply realise this. If ADP does not get recycled to ATP, then there isn’t enough energy. When there isn’t enough energy, ADP loses another phosphate ion (to supply needed energy) to be converted to AMP (Adenosine Monophophate), you guessed it, mono meaning 1 phosphate ion. The problem with this is that AMP is largely lost and cannot be recycled. So how does that affect us?
If your ability to recycle ADP is diminished, if you use more energy than you have, your ability to create energy in the future is compromised. In other words, you experience post-exertional fatigue. It’s like being a farmer who can’t grow enough grain because of lack of rain, and so he eats his last seeds – and so there is nothing left for him to grow another crop.
Whether you look at the problem from a cellular ATP energy point of view or from a hormonal point of view is perhaps less important. The point is that if there is an insufficiency, pushing to reach higher levels of output (activity or exercise) without addressing the underlying problem, is clearly going to lead to a crash sooner or later!
The real problem comes from the whole premise that many people adopt with graded exercise therapy for CFS /ME/FMS. They assume that it is a somatoform disorder where the fatigue results from inappropriate framing of one’s ability to exert oneself. The old ‘it’s all in your head!’. Hence they think that deconditioning is a root part of the problem, and by ‘gaining confidence’ and pushing yourself back into condition, your ability to exercise and resume normal activity returns.
After decades of research into the physical dysfunctions of ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia, it seems a little bizarre that anyone would still suggest the illness is just perceived and not real. And anyone with the illness (or with a history of it), rightfully so finds it offensive when people suggest this. There is no doubt, the physical dysfunctions and crashes are absolutely real and there is of course endless scientific and clinical evidence to support this.
And so, it’s no surprise that simply increasing your activity when you have ME/CFS and Fibro, even if done gradually, has no reason to yield results. Obviously we need to address whatever is wrong causing the fatigue and other symptoms!
That is why instead of continually increasing their activity, most people end up staying within their energy envelope and adopt an equally unsuccessful strategy, that can really be seen as a coping strategy; PACING.
Why Pacing Doesn’t Work For Most People With ME/CFS & Fibro
Now before you bombard me with emails about how pacing has worked for you, realise that I am NOT talking about reducing your symptoms or allowing you to cope better.
Yes, pacing can help you reduce your symptoms and help you cope with Fibromyalgia and ME/CFS.
But the whole focus here is on recovery as opposed to just managing. If looking for recovery as opposed to just feeling a little better is too big a mental leap to make, because you have been unwell for a long time and unsuccessfully tried to regain your health many times, then realise that I know exactly how hard that is, I’ve been there!
So what could be wrong with pacing? After all, if you have been listening to the recovery stories, you will commonly hear about people using that very strategy as well as GET to get better. Why has it worked for them and not the rest of people.
The problem again comes from a lack of understanding of what is the root mechanism of ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia (see video explanation). You see, whilst it is a REAL PHYSICAL ILLNESS, with the symptoms deeply rooted in very real and measurable physical dysfunctions, I describe the root mechanism, the ANS dysfunction, as being driven by both the secondary physical dysfunctions themselves as well as other psychosomatic factors that vary between people.
One of these psychosomatic triggers is the belief structure around the causation and triggering of the illness. Now realise that we are NOT TALKING ABOUT A SOMATOFORM DISORDER, because clearly the illness AND the symptoms are REAL! But I AM saying that certain psychological factors trigger and perpetuate the illness, because the illness is driven by the nervous system.
So by setting mental boundaries around our ability to perform tasks or experience sensations, the nervous system maladaption becomes more deeply entrenched and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Without a deeper understanding of how this works, all this might sound like more of the old ‘it’s all in your head’. But let me assure you, that is NOT what I am saying at all.
What I am saying is that whilst there may or may not have been much of a psychological component in you getting the illness, psychology certainly becomes an important part of our efforts to recovery our health.
But if you have not gained enough understanding on how this illness works yet, realise that psychosomatically triggered illnesses are all around us. Just look at heart attacks. Regardless of what we know about atherosclerosis, it is such common knowledge that heart attacks have psychosomatic triggers. You don’t need to be a medical expert to realise this, even little children know it. “You scared me, you nearly gave me a heart attack!”
The Distinctions that Make GET & Pacing Work
Hopefully it’s becoming clearer why ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia are such confusing illnesses. The contradictions are enough to drive anyone crazy!
So far, I have explained to you in detail, why GET and pacing don’t work for most people with ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia to experience a recovery.
But how is THAT relevant when we clearly come across people who have not just benefitted greatly, but actually had these strategies as significant components of their efforts that eventually led to full recovery? Forget logic, the proof is in the pudding, right?
The answers can be found in the details!
Let’s start with pacing. Especially early on in our efforts to recover, pacing is extremely important! It ensures that you don’t deplete your cellular energy currency (the ADP & ATP), or your ability to respond hormonally (with catecholamines such as Cortisol, Adrenaline and Noradrenalin).
If your body is not even meeting its basic needs, there are no resources left to rebuild and repair.
Now whilst the body is of course able to return to health with amazing efficiency, help along the way makes things a lot easier. This is where a multi-lateral treatment approach becomes very important to support the body’s recovery. But we also need to ensure that we are not exacerbating the problems that have caused the symptoms in the first place.
No matter how good your treatment regime is, as long as you are taxing your body beyond its limits, you are not in a healing state and your efforts will be frustrated.
And of course, we need to ensure that we address the root mechanism so that they problem is not re-created, which is the source of our relapses even after our best efforts have yielded encouraging results. As long as our bodies are experiencing an ANS dysfunction and other secondary dysfunctions, significant oxidative stress is experienced and full cellular dysfunction is not easily restored. Hence my phrase “treat the cause, not just the consequences”.
And it’s this focus on the ANS dysfunction that leads me to the important distinctions about GET. Exercise is a very important part of detoxification through lymphasising and has numerous mental and physical benefits for well-being. That is why all people benefit from the right type of exercise, including people with ME/CFS & Fibro. But this benefit comes with the proviso that the exercise doesn’t create more oxidative stress than your cells can handle or that your energy currency (the ATP/ADP) is lost.
In my experience, GET is particular beneficial for people with Fibromyalgia. However, ironically because the focus for GET is usually around fatigue, it is usually not discussed for those that can benefit from it the most.
So my view is that people should forget about ‘grading’ their activity in a regimented way, unless they can do so without triggering fatigue. If it doesn’t trigger fatigue or other major symptoms (for those Fibro folk lucky enough to be in that position), try and do a LITTLE bit more every day.
But for the vast majority of people with ME/CFS & Fibro that experience symptoms crashes, you need to grade your activity in line with your ability whilst still keeping it within your symptom envelope.
But of course, you must do this in a way that is not too regimented. This is where the subtle differences really matter and where you run the risk of getting lost unless you have gained a deeper understanding of how the illness is triggered. It really requires a more in-depth discussion on the neurological dysfunction underpinning the illness, which is beyond a single article (see the video explanation for a summary).
You see, if you develop ‘expectations’ or ‘mental boundaries’ around your activity, you run the risk of firming the “overstepping of these boundaries” as a trigger for your illness. This is because these boundaries become deeply ingrained in the nervous system as triggers. This happens subconsciously of course.
Think of it like using your peripheral vision. You see things without directly looking at them. In this case, you need to recognise your limitations without really seeing them as boundaries. Almost like you are tricking yourself.
Another way of looking at it would be to do less than you can, less than triggers symptoms, but without actually believing there are any real boundaries. Like choosing to walk (metaphorically if you like in case this is not possible), even though you ‘KNOW’ you can run.
For those that have looked at a range of mind/body training designed to assist in recovery of ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia, this can make much sense and not be new.
If you feel a little lost now or are saying to yourself “You’ve got to be kidding me”, then know that I like you, would have felt like that at these comments before I gained the understanding and experience I have now. It’s always easier to accept things the other side of experience.
If ME/CFS/Fibro was exclusively a physical illness without psychosomatic triggers, life would be a little easier. Just as if it was a psychosomatic illness without real physical triggers. But it is this inescapable mix that creates the challenge and even creates offense unless we have an open mind and a deeper understanding of the subtleties, like the difference between a somatoform disorder like hypochondria and a partially psychosomatic disorder. This can be especially challenging for people who know their illness was initially triggered by a strong physiological triggers at the onset of the illness. I myself was actually triggered primarily by an immunisation .
In the end, you have to ask yourself what is most important to you. What are you prepared to do to get well? Getting emotional or frustrated about seemingly trivial nuances won’t serve you. In the end, it’s about practicing and fine-tuning your approach. Like a wise man once said, “If you always do what you've always done you'll always get what you always got.”
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Well said Mr Neuffer! I have just experienced the second of Two ‘setback crashes’ but because I am becoming attuned to my body’s signals I believe that I am not only recovering, but am also sure that this recovery process will prevail. Actually, I will explain this by first replacing the phrase ‘ setback crash’ with the phrase ‘condition reminder’ (i.e. remeber that you are ill, so pull back a bit now!). Next I should explain that imho the word ‘therapy’ applied to graded excercise or pacing, should not mean anything strictly regimented at all! So please pace yourselves and take regular excercise, but above all things, listen and react to what your body tells you.
Dan Gmaj xo B-)
Hi Dan
Thanks for your feedback.
It’s a subtle line between listening and contantly looking out for symptom signals.
Looks like you have managed to learn the distinction – well done.
Dan
Dan,
This was a great article. I am already doing this and seeing some progress. Ashok says pacing is an art form and he is right there. If I am out and I expect pain to come when I walk it will. If it does I welcome it and tell myself I am safe and all is well and this is only a shadow of who I really am and it backs down.
Graham talks about breathing and this is the key. Long slow breaths really slow everything down. I still have lots of symptoms but I say hello to them and and just let them go and b…r. e…a..t…h…e…
Hi Nia
Thanks for your praise.
Yes, the power of breath is amazing. It was one of my key strategies during my recovery. I think I must have held my breath for 6 years befoer that!
🙂
Dan
That is one of the main problems I have, holding my breath against the pain. I went through this period where everyone, including me, was sure I had heart disease, because I was so short of breath. Then one day, during an extreme shortness of breath episode, my sister mentioned that I’d just been in some pain. I thought, maybe it is possible that I’m causing my shortness of breath, in a psychological effort to avoid the pain. So, I did some yoga breath work and started reminding myself to breath slowly and deeply when the sharp pains started and my shortness of breath episodes went away. As you say, it’s not that I was faking the shortness of breath, it was real and scary, but it wasn’t caused by heart or lung issues (we checked thoroughly), it was caused by my tensing against the pain for several hours and breathing too shallowly. You make some very good points, Dan.
I am glad it resonated with you. Yes, our natural reaction to the symptoms exacerbates the problems. The pain in particular is an area where psychological strategies can be very beneficial.
I see you also have found the research demonstrating that people experiencing ME are metabolizing ADP and AMP inappropriately with the resulting metabolic byproducts being unable to be recycled into new ATP. I do not believe this is an inherent mitochondrial problem as our anaerobic capacity would be more affected.
Considering the research showing peripheral micro-circulatory dysfunction occurring along with diastolic heart dysfunction, it makes perfect sense that the limited blood flow would be exacerbated during activity. We are able to use the initial anaerobic energy stored in the muscle and thus have normal short term strength and power; but with blood flow being limited during activity, there’s an over-reliance on this anaerobic capacity and an inability to obtain further energy for the muscle cell with the diminished blood flow. We essentially lack any kind of endurance, long term or even short term. This why our muscles seem to almost “seize up” when we use them for too long; especially, very ironically, with the lightest activity. When the muscles break down ADP and AMP, and the resulting metabolic byproducts are not recyclable, the lack of blood flow that is not bringing energy to the muscle cell is also not removing those metabolic by products; hence the massive and exponential accumulation of metabolic byproducts when using muscles continuously. This also explains why light but static activities (such as smiling for too long, writing, using a computer mouse, etc.) can actually be worse in terms of rapidly increasing muscle stiffness. First, normally we would expect to be able to use our muscles in this way without something like this happening and it’s so outside normal experience that it causes cognitive dissonance (for normal, healthy people as well as for us. It’s really, really confusing when you have normal strength but can’t even smile for a few minutes.) And second, when we do activities that include some movement and raise the heart rate slightly, the muscles do not seem to have this rapidly and exponentially increasing stiffness (although it does accumulate over time due to the abnormal recovery caused by the problems with blood flow; but it doesn’t happen so immediately) there is at least some small compensatory mechanism. Whereas a lighter, static muscle contraction does not have this and rapid muscle stiffening will always occur. This makes sense in light of the circulatory dysfunction.
Additionally, the heart and vascular issues also explain why we have such an abnormally delayed recovery. The lack of blood flow just is not able to keep up with the energy needs of the muscles overall and when we use up the energy we have, we have to wait a long time for the muscles to be essentially “re-filled” with glycogen. It’s like having a battery that takes days instead of hours to power it up. Once it’s powered up, it can be used at full strength for short periods before it starts to run down (and it runs down much more quickly) but when it’s plugged in to power it back up, it takes exponentially longer than normal to get back to full power. And like a battery that won’t take a charge, when we try to be active before we have recovered, it just makes it take that much longer again to re-power. Fortunately (or sometimes unfortunately) for the human body, we have ways of compensating for this lack of energy and one of them is to over-produce adrenaline; it’s no coincidence researchers have discovered we have shrunken adrenal glands. This, along with the fact that such a small aount of movement in the activity can compensate some vs. a static activity, points to how severe the heart and vascular dysfunction really is.
Additionally, these issues also explain the phenomenon known as the “Raggedy Andy/Ann” fatigue state. From my research and experience, I believe this “state” to be the drop out in blood pressure that scientists thought was “neurally mediated hypo-tension.” For many years I thought I didn’t have any issues with NMH as I had never had any problems with passing out (although I get a bit light headed at times when I stand up too quickly.) It wasn’t until several years ago that I started to fill in the picture. When I experienced the “Raggedy Andy” fatigue, it always came in the evenings and it seemed to worsen with increased activity. Most importantly, when it came on, it literally felt as though the blood was draining from my head and upper body. When I remembered back to this, I realized the problems with blood pressure we experience may not be a neurological dysfunction (although some people may have additional, true NMH as a result of the brain damage) rather it’s likely to be a metabolic problem. What I realized was that it always came in the evenings in a cyclical manner because the drop out in blood pressure was due to a problem with running out of glycogen, since we are in a state in which are bodies are essentially “running on glycogen” due to the aforementioned problems with blood flow to the muslces. Like an athlete that “hits the wall” when they run out of anaerobic energy, our over-reliance on muscle stored glycogen causes a pathological form of this “hitting the wall-like” phenomenon that causes the drop out in blood pressure when we have been active too long. I also found out from many others who experienced the Raggedy Andy/Ann fatigue that other cyclical patterns were possible. One woman I knew could stay up and at least fake her way through being active for an hour at a time (keeping in mind the many other symptoms) but would then experience 3-4 hours of the “fatigue state.” What I noticed is that the people (like her) with the shorted fatigue cycles tended to be nonathletic whereas people who were athletic (like myself) had longer cycles. Keeping in mind that athletes tend to have much greater anaerobic capacity, it makes perfect sense that an athlete would be able to compensate for the heart and vascular dysfunction somewhat by having greater glycogen stores in the muscles (although it doesn’t mean the disease in general is in any way not severe in athletes; there are a lot of other symptoms. And because we tend to try to exercise more when we first get sick, we tend to have a worse long term prognosis; as studies have confirmed. This also makes sense in light of the discovery of the heart and vascular issues occurring in ME.) Unfortunately, this ability to compensate only minimizes one of the many major symptoms but it does help us understand what is occurring in the bodies of patients with ME.
I found support for this idea in Goldstein’s book, “Betrayal by the Brain: The Neurologic Basis for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia Syndrome.” Goldstein talks about how the positive SPECT scan showing lack of blood reaching the brain of ME and FM patients did not occur consistently throughout the day and that a significant proportion did not have a positive SPECT until the evenings. I realized what this SPECT was showing us was the lack of blood in the brain brought on by the acute drop out in blood pressure when we experience this pathological form of “hitting the wall” because the pattern matched the timing for the “Raggedy Andy/Ann” fatigue. The researchers looking into neurally mediated hypo-tension had inconsistent results because they assumed a steady state condition due to neurological damage and people would be scheduled arbitrarily, often in the mornings, for testing. In this they were missing the people who were experiencing drop outs in blood pressure later in the day or were in between cycles(and some people do not experience the Raggedy Andy/Ann fatigue and will never have the drop outs in blood pressure; I have a good idea why this is and it relates also to metabolic dysfunction; but this is beyond the subject at hand for the moment.)
And finally, considering that one of the main causes for the specific type of brain damage we experience is transient ischemia (lack of blood flow) to the brain, it makes great sense that these drop outs in blood pressure and resulting problems with blood flow to the brain are at the very least a major contributing factor to the excitotoxic brain damage which results in hyperalgesic, neuropathic pain and the micro-seizure that causes the alpha/delta wave sleep anomaly and cognitive symptoms (the micro-seizure is like having someone tap on your head every three seconds, making is extremely difficult to maintain attention and focus, causing problems with long term potentiation in memory, and causing problems with impulsiveness. From my own experience, the micro-seizure is not able to be directly felt or experienced in the course of a normal day, rather it manifests directly in the intense ADD-like symptoms we experience. But I have had times when I was in a semi-meditational state and could directly feel the micro-seizure. It felt as though someone had put headphones on my ears and blasted white noise at maximum volume for a fraction of a second, every 2-3 seconds.) Additionally, that the problems with blood flow to the brain affect our neurological state seems to be born out by research finding a decline in cognitive ability with increasing activity; I submit that as the blood flow to the brain is affected by the activity and lessens, the cognitive symptoms worsen.
I could write an entire paper on the excitotoxic brain damage, but I think I will leave that for another time. Hope this helps explain more of the illness. The point though is that there are highly logical, understandable, and scientifically supported reasons we experience the symptoms that we do.
P.S., I have noticed that many of the recoveries you describe seem to happen at the 6-7 year mark (I might be wrong) and that’s interesting as statistically, the most spontaneous recoveries occur at the 1-2 year mark and the 6-7 year mark (I can’t remember where that comes from but I do recall reading it several times.) Is it possible that some of these folks would have recovered whatever they happened to do? And that it may not have been what they were doing specifically that made a difference? I think we should be studying people who do recover so that we can find out if there are any differences between them and patients who do not recover; it might help lead to some kind of cure. I would also like to ask that you be careful in how you frame the possibility of recovery for people though. There’s just no way to tell if your ideas can be applied to all people with ME or FMS and it may be that you have managed to collect the stories of people who would have recovered anyways or who belong to subsets that might be more amenable to some of the solutions you are proposing. It may well be that these ideas work better with people with Primary Fibromyalgia who do not have the heart infection that causes diastolic heart failure as with M.E., and are likely to have different causes for their illness. Thanks.
Thank you for your comment Keir – I think you broke the record in terms of length! 🙂
The mechanisms of how the various symtpoms are created, are generally well understood. However, it is easy to get lost in all the details, the real questions is WHY is this happening? To answer this, I wrote CFS Unravelled and created the VIDEO EXPLANATION.
It’s my opinion that most of the early recoveries are usually more accidental and result from a change in circumstances along with some physical treatments to reduce the symptoms which reduces the triggering of the primary dysfunction.
I am unsure if there is a rise in the 7 year mark in terms of recoveries, you may be correct. I suspect it is because people run out of steam in terms of dealing or coping with the ME/CFS & Fibromyalgia and simply can’t take it anymore – so something has to change. In fact, whether at the 2 year, 7 year or 20 year mark, it is my view that most recoveries from ME/CFS/FMS occur when breaking point is reached where people simply become prepared to do WHATEVER they can to recover. If you listen to the interviews, you will see this is a common theme.
Thanks again for your thoughtful comments, I hope the video explanation helps you bring things together in your mind.
Hi, Dan
Very interesting article, albeit hard to understand. I’m battling PEM and failing at it. I think I’m using graded exercise but apparently I’m not doing it right. I’m a little mystified by the terms coping and recovery. When I’m feeling good, I’m really good. That always leads to crashes however. How do you know when you are truly recovered ?? kind regards /Rickard
Hi Rickard, – I talk about being recovered from Fibromyalgia or CFS/ME when you can engage in normal activity like other people and not experience crashes any longer. Most people when they get there, don’t really announce it for a while, until the build enough experience to feel confident about it. People who understand how and why they recover appear to me to have a stronger sense of staying well.
Hi Dan, Thanks for answering, So if I understand this right I obviously need to manage the disease without crashing. The only way I know is to avoid exercise. You mentioned “expectation”. I’m am very result-driven when it comes to exercise. Maybe that is part of the problem? That I expect too much. Kind of a quick-fix-oriented approach. But it is hard not to. My mind is very focused on recovery and exercise. Because it feels so good when it works. kind regards/Rickard
Hi Rickard
Yes, that IS part of the problem.
Treat yourself like you would a young child that is ill.
You can’t ‘push it’, you have to create the environment for it to happen.
Dan
Dan,
I appreciate you articulating your understanding of the nuances of the complexity of this illness. Something only direct experience could give sufficient insight to. I have often gotten confounded by trying to understand the genesis of this condition, which results in a state of constant confusion. The result: I toggle between numerous explanations and treatments and then quickly discard them because it does not explain ALL the downrange cascade of symptoms and vicious cycles. The confusion and subsequent frustration end up becoming one of the most perpetuating illness factors and a major obstacle to healing. You clearly have been there. When finally escaping this diabolical illness, it would be easy to simply move on and rarely look back. So, thanks for taking the time and effort to journey back into the cave (Plato reference:-) to help illuminate the path for those of us still muttering through the dark with impaired vision.
Michael
Hi Michael,
Thanks for your comment and kudos.
Diabolical, that’s an emotionally charged word, but I must admit, it fits well when I think back to it all.
What drives me to keep going, is the progress of people touched by the book. I look forward to the day when the new video program helps people take their recovery all the way!
Dan 🙂
I really hear what you’re saying in terms of how my psychology can be a stumbling block to improvement even though it’s not what caused the condition of FMS itself. What I am not clearly able to see from your article is any practical suggestions for how to make GET and pacing work. I’ve gotten pretty good at pacing myself so that I don’t overdo it when I feel good, and knock myself back into a flare. What I struggle with is those times when I present myself for exercise, get started, and then come over with a wave of muscle weakness that makes it impossible to continue. Or when flares comes along and derail my graded progress so that I have to start all over. Overall I feel I am losing ground; I am less able to do cardio, my flexibility is lessened. I don’t know how to reverse this trend without driving myself, which ultimately leads to self-condemnation and depression.
Thanks for your question Su.
The main point I was trying to make is that pacing is required to avoid set-backs, but that you need to be addressing the whole illness to move towards recovery at the same time. Also, becoming regimented and pacing based on past experience is unhelpful (ie. I can’t do ….) Instead it needs to be more instinctual and based on your CURRENT experience. It’s a fine line and I appreciate your confusion.
Perhaps another way to explain it is to pace yourself and increase acitivty as your health allows, but without thinking about it.
It’s difficult to give you more guidance without a much deeper explanation. This is the constant frustration I run into in terms of writing blogs which is why my efforts have been on the book and now the video recovery program rather than blogs. Because any article will inevitably only give you a limited view of the overall problem, and the key to recovery is treating the whole person!
If you go to exercise and don’t feel up to it – stop and relax. Don’t let it bother you. Exercise when you feel up to it, and then aim to exercise in a way that leaves you feeling good today and tomorrow, but don’t think too much about it.
Hope that helps.
Dear Sue, I can’t recommend using water for exercise enough. It calms the nervous system and supports the body. The key is to start at only 5 mins in the water and walk around the pool, never swim until you have got to 15 mins and this took me many months. If you want more info see my blog
http://iknowpeoplewhohaverecoveredfromme.blogspot.co.uk/ hope it helps
Hey Dan,
Great article thanks! I finally get the cellular level stuff now about ATP/ADP/AMP and I loved the farmer analogy.
I noticed that my post-exertional malaise stopped after my naturopath taught me to switch off my ANS by consciously breathing as slowly as I could without having to gasp for breath. This was a big turning point, since it meant I could exercise again and start tackling the fear of exercise that I had developed. To begin graded exercise without learning to switch off the ANS though sounds like disaster in the making to me.
Getting out of this vicious trap is important because once we’re out, exercise is one of the things that helps calm the nervous system in the long term. One of the first things the GP who diagnosed me said was “Exercise is very important in CFS”, and I just thought “You’ve got to be fucking kidding me! I can barely drag myself to your office, and you’re suggesting exercise?”. So he was right, but it wasn’t the whole story.
My other learning extrapolated from Mickel therapy is that emotional state is key, so it’s _very_ important to do exercise that is fun and mentally engaging so that I’m not thinking/worrying about being sick and the reason why I’m exercising. Going to a gym doesn’t do that for me, because I’m still thinking “I have to do this so I can get well… ARGH!!!”. That’s why I took up drumming, have just taken up tennis, and am off to the beach today to go body-boarding: because I love it!
Thanks again Dan. I believe you’re really making a difference here and it’s great to have a sane voice amongst all the panic, negativity, scams and people who don’t yet get it out in Internet land.
Cheers, Graham
Thanks for your insightful comment Graham.
You nailed it. This is an important part of engaging in any exercise.
The EMOTIONAL state is key as is the thought focus. When exercise is performed with the constant expectation of symptom triggering, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But when we have fun, it’s not front of mind!
Great to see you continue to make progress!
Dan
Great article. I have only recently found a gp who has explained mitochondrial dysfunction and it has really helped me to feel better about myself. I have spent so much energy on feeling negative and a t times staryed to believe all the naysayers out there who just dont understand
Thanks for your comment Mim!
Hi Dan,
Thank you for your wonderful advice. Listening to the stories and your explanations have been an integral part of my ongoing recovery. I have been unwell with CFS for approx a year but I believe I have had many symptoms for 2 years before that. After visiting your website I decided that this was not going to beat me and from that moment I began to see a gradual improvement in my recovery from basic activity. I was unable to work for 7 months and found it difficult to leave the house. Today is a different story. At the moment I’m able to work two days a week and it takes me 2 days to recover after each day I work. It is difficult but I won’t give up .I totally agree that the your mind is an important part of your recovery . When I’m stressed about something the pain returns in my body. I believe learning strategies to overcome stress and accepting your limits for today is crucial to feeling better. Tomorrow may not be difficult so dwelling on past experience will not help at all. This illness has taught me great life lessons such as being mindful and living in the moment. Understanding the cause of the illness is crucial so you can make changes to your lifestyle and thought processes to ensure recovery and not management.
Thanks for the ongoing messages
Hi Lureen
Thank you for your positive message.
It sounds like you are well on your way.
Keep going, become another recovery story! 🙂
Dan
HI again Dan, I have been using a strict pacing regime and what I guess is in essence a GET programme using water for the past year – I think the water is a really important part of it and I have gone from 5 mins of walking in the water to 23 mins with 3 mins out of every 5 actually swimming. I think having a fixed regime is really important in stopping me from engaging with should I or shouldn’t I stop, get up or whatever; I do it regardless of how I feel and I have actually found this productive. I think the key here is to keep shifting the goal posts on both exercise and pacing so one doesn’t get stuck and yes I use what I learnt from Gupta too to tackle any negative or fearful thoughts.
However, what I really want to ask you is about the cell function bit. For the first year of my illness I did all the nutrition stuff, Dr Myhill, injecting B12, magnesium, taking CQ10, metabolic typing etc etc and nothing really made a huge difference and now I can’t afford to buy such things. BUt what has always puzzled me is why is the body not cycling ATP etc properly and will giving it these supplements actually make any difference because surely the body should be able to access these things anyway it just can’t, so what’s to say it will access the additional things you give it?
I would like to underpin my methodical approach with something that supports cell function effectively, but your article is not clear about how one does this. So whilst it is good to front up the challenges of using pacing v GET effectively, you allude to there being something one should be doing to underpin this otherwise I’ll never get completely better. What would you recommend people us eto underpin cell function effectively? I really think you need to come off the fence and share your thoughts more fully, we can all make up our own minds as to whether to act on it, but it feels very hard to read what you have written with quite detailed ideas about Pacing and GET and what is going wrong with cell function but little to advise how to address cell function adequately.
As every thanks for the work you are doing, but please please give some more detailed info about this one thing.
Hi Sula,
It’s great to hear about your progress!
Actually, I don’t sit on the fence on the issue. I wrote over 70,000 words on it.
However as you can appreciate, that is not very practical to put into a blog.
My point was that we can go into the nitty gritty details of all the supportive supplements you are taking, but if the very concern about whether that is working is feeding your symptom thoughts, then it’s counter productive. So just like the GET/Pacing, it needs to be done with a certain type of approach/attitude.
Supplementing with the right nutrients can certainly make a difference to mitochondrial dysfunction. Because as function returns in the smallest way as nutrients are replaced, more nutrients can get channelled into the cell (eg. Magnesium that requires energy to be pumped into the cells). Also, supplementation can reduce oxidative stress which is causing the dysfunction in the first place.
But the whole point is that whilst the ANS dysfunction is still going, that approach would be a bit like poaring water and petrol on a fire. Yes, the water helps, but until we stop feeding the fire with petrol, you are swimming up river.
A lot of these supplements can get quite expensive, especially if you consider lipid therapy. I think that most people are able to recover without taking these steps, and should hence look for cost effective anti-oxidant support.
In other words, me rewriting everything about supplementation for cellular support isn’t going to magically fix anyone. The key to recvoery is the multi-lateral approach and addressing whatever is driving your ANS dysfunction. So whilst symptom thoughts are probably a big part for everyone, some people might also have to deal with other severe triggers – such as trauma from their childhood, severe parasitic infection, or unhealhty personality traits. Until these are addressed as part of the overall recovery effort, progress may be frustrated.
Hope that makes sense. I know everyone is looking for the magic bullet, the one thing that will suddenly make it all go away. But the key to recovery for ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia is a tailored multi-lateral approach!
Hi Dan, I’m not looking for the magic bullet, I’ve already tried many guns and each one chips away, but I have enough insight to know that it goes beyond one magic solution. I also know that not everyone with MECFS hits the wall the way some of us do. A friend of mine has recently been in touch and I discovered she was diagnosed at the same time as me, but she’s got better using a few things that I have tried and one I haven’t. I am now trying the one I haven’t, but still felt envious of her recovery wondering why, whilst I have come a huge way, I too have not got to the other side yet. Then she informed me in an e-mail how at her worst she could only walk for 30 mins, this explained alot. Our starting points were completely different I couldn’t walk to the loo at my worst and still can’t manage 30 mins, so that actually made me feel better and reassured me that I am making big progress.
However, coming back to my point it’s just that your article gave the clear indicator of needing some underpinning supplements to aid cell production and having already spent £1,000 on this in the first year of my illness I was wanting to know what in particular you meant. Often you refer to finding out what is the root of ones illness and I’m never sure what you mean. I know very well the elements that brought me to this point, 3 major operations, a blood transfusion, massive doses of IV antibiotics and a mild case of paranoia, I know very well that my nervous system and my brain is ultimately influencing what my body does, but I don’t know what technically is going on in my body as opposed to my friends, or what went on in yours when you were ill and therefore I struggle to pinpoint where to aim the gun next – so to speak. My mitochondria test came back with only 20% reduced function when I was first ill, I’ve rid myself of the candida and parasitic infection, etc etc I just want to know how to get to the bottom of the process that is still keeping me ill. On reflection I do wonder whether supplements work, this isn’t negativity this is scientific observation and analysis, because in theory your body should be able to access what it needs from a healthy complex diet, and if it can’t I’m not sure why it would find it easier to access it from supplements, especially bearing in mind recent science seems to indicate that if we eat fish for example we benefit from the Omega 3’s far better than if we take Omega 3 supps, so the body seems to prefer accessing nutrients from food stuffs. As I said I chucked alot of nutrients at it in the first year, my B12 levels went through the roof from injecting, but my functioning didn’t seem to go through the roof.
I don’t agree with Dave below though that you are advocating GET as the solution, only an important part of recovery, because I totally agree with you that if you stay in bed all the time the iller your body gets, and this from someone who had no choice but to be in bed for the first 6 months. I couldn’t get out. But I slowly worked on it and I know now that staying in bed past a certain time doesn’t make me feel any better! It is a tight rope to be walked, an dit takes careful insight and managing, something the CBT lot don’t seem to have a clue about!
Hi Sula,
I agree with what you are saying and understand your furstration (& your feelings of frustration).
If it makes you feel any better, at my worst I couldn’t get out of bed or even speak! Which sometimes makes me still feel a little surreal to have my life back!
Supplements help, but they won’t fix you. Because the supplements don’t address all the ANS trigges.
The question you ask is valid and very important – WHAT IS DRIVING YOUR ANS DYSFUNCTION?
In some ways, the physical triggers are easier to identify than the psychological triggers, because we don’t necessarily have a very good objectivity about our self.
Perhaps you need to get some help to explore this side, perhaps exlore the “mild case of paranoia” or anything else that led up to you first becoming unwell. If you purchased the Gupta program previously, I recommend you revisit this also.
Hopefully you can see the fine line you have to walk and the incombatibility between the Gupta program and deeply exploring other potential physcial treatments. I strongly advocate a multi-lateral approach, but this may be very difficult for many people to follow without falling in the traps.
Thanx for very confusing article , as well as me/cfs/fm I have terrible pain from diabetic peripheral neuropathy. So very difficult to pace or exercise. But it still sounds to me you or still advocating the. CBT/ GET /GAT regime ! Which I could get my brain to get me out of this awful energy problem.
Hi Dave
Thank you very much for your feedback, I really appreciate it!
I am sorry you found the article confusing. It is all a bit confusing and the details and nuances often are very subtle and make all the difference.
The point is that pacing and increasing activty are very helpful, when done in the right way. Pushing beyond your ability can simply lead to worsening of symtpoms.
My point is that it is all about understanding the illness, and suggesting that the illness and reason for the inablity to perform the actions is simply in your mind, is ridiculous. Having said that, the psychological component is huge.
In other words, the two sides of the argument that vehemently oppose each other, are both right, and both wrong. I tried to convey that in the article. Because it is all a bit complex, it’s hard to give a full picture in a blog which is why I wrote the book.
Dan
Hi, Dan. I was left confused by this article. Perhaps that means that I havn’t fully understood your book, but, no, actually, I think this issue is confusing. I had somehow got the mesage that exercise was for the point in recovery where you have some very reasonable improvement and yet now I hear a discussion which seems to be saying it is necessary from the word go. I and some of my friend find ourselves at confused.com. I think the term GET is very unhelpful as this is the term used by many GPs in the UK. I believe many have very little knowledge but have been given one piece of information and that is that GET is the treatment. The problem is I think that this is often interpreted as, we need to get fit! If you could come up with another term for your appriach to exercise I think it would be massively helpful. I feel like an idiot but I totally confess that I do not understand it, perhaps I need to revisit the book as I do not remember reading an awful lot of detail about this. I have previously improved to where I could walk quite a bit further but found I could not repeat it fir a while. I decided I was pushing too far so stopped trying to do this. Now I have worsening of another annoying symptom on walking which is extreme breathlessness which can lead to severe prolonged palpitations if I persist too much. My heart has been checked by my GP and pronounced as fine.
Hi Patricia.
Yes, it is all confusing, no doubt. Many people see GET as a way of return condition, suggesting that you just need to overcome your fear of exercise and address the deconditioning that has occured as a result of that. This is clearly not the case and the point of the article.
When pushing the envelope, new symptoms can arrise as you are experiencing. So increasing your activity until this results does not make sense. However, given the neurotlogical associations that trigger the dysfunction (which are numerous), by pacing too vigorously, activities like exercise can become a stronger trigger. That’s why our aim should still be to increase activity and return to normal functioning, but to do it with minimal symptom triggering, and to change our emotional response when symptoms are triggered. By being at ease with the triggered symtpoms, we can ‘rewire’ our nervous system over time. However, if we push beyond our physical diminised body’s ability (due to suboptimal hormonal and cellular function), you will experience strong symptoms, even if the ANS dysfunction was normalised. This of course re-inforces the dysfunction! I don’t go into enough detail of this in CFS Unravelled, because the scope of the book first and foremost was to actually establish the nature of the illness to start off with and to give an overall framework. But these distinctions and strategies are key to recovery and hence will be discussed more in the video recovery program. (if I ever finish the darned thing!)
If you still feel lost Patricia, don’t worry, it takes a while to understand these concepts. They are a bit confusing and the subtelties are enough to get anyone lost at first, even without brainfog!
Dan
I really think you are not talking about ME, CFS or FMS, but rather burnout which young people and especially males can recover from by just using a bit of common sense. The former illnesses, especially ME and FMS are of a much more permanent and severe nature with genetic changes and cannot be cured simply by controlling one’s feelings. They also should not be lumped together as they may have similar symptoms but obviously different causes.
Hi Tricia,
I appreciate your comment and where you are coming from.
Let me assure you that I am talking about ME/CFS/FMS. I know exactly how severe and ‘permanent’ these conditions are, having had them for over 6 years myself. Also, if you look at the recovery interviews, I think you would agree that few people have this condition more severely than Evelyn and that Abigail represents a long-term case, yet both recovered their health.
I agree with you that this illness cannot be simply controlled with your feellings, in fact, both the illness and one’s feeling feel pretty OUT OF CONTROL.
The reason why I lump them together is ME and CFS are different words for the same illness as regarded by most of the world. Chronic fatigue which people sometimes lump in with this illness, is something completely different. That’s why CFS is such a bad name, because obviously the illness is about SO MUCH MORE THAN FATIGUE! I appreciate your comment in this regard with Fibromyalgia. Many people think it a different illness because of the difference in the main symptom, however, it is my view this is just another symptom in the illnesses spectrum, just like MCS and EHS.
If you don’t see how, you might like to see the video explanation. again.
I appreciate being able to have an open discussion with you that is constructive and non-emotional. Thanks for your comment.
Thankyou for your response to my comment, Dan. After feeling confused I think I am starting to understand. Thank goodness these little discussions pull us back into looking again at the concepts , this helps me time and time again. A comment made above somewhere about breathing with exercise struck a chord with me. I have tried many things over my 20+ years of illness, so have picked up lots of different bits of information. Read quite a bit about correct breathing and hyperventilation. Attended a yoga class years ago which had a very big emphasis on yoga breathing together with movement. Then, you know, something in life or family gets in the way, no cure is emerging and you let tge practise go. Anyway with my breathlessness. Had to go out yesterday. The slight hill up to the bus stop had to be tackled. Usually have to stop every 10 yards or so if I’m trying not to push it. Took on Yesterday thinking about my mental reaction to this symptom I tried to remain calm and not be “intimidated” by the symptom. I kept my mouth closed breathing through my nose ( which promotes abdominal breathing) presto, not instant cure but things went much better. So thank you, think I am beginning to understand .Also the idea that never give up, respect serious symptoms but come back every time for another try when this recedes.
YOU GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the interupting of the ANS I am talking about.
Change how you think about, change how you FEEEL – the ANS starts to be retrained!
Well done,
Dan
Thankyou for your comment Dan, I am so pleased!!
I did my own version of GET by trial and error, the trick for me was trying to do the same thing through the week and assessing my energy debt or surplus on friday night. A few weeks in a row of surplus and i would add another notch of activity. And i would call it GAT, A for combined Activity; exercise was only allowed if i was coping with my work load.
I also think that there is another reason for people staying within their perceived boundaries which has to do with the Adrenal exhaustion aspect of the condition.. i had countless days where i dragged myself out of bed and off to work, in the firm belief that i wouldn’t last an hour, and then the next hour and then i would make it through the morning and feel better through the afternoon.
I came to equate extra muscle mass with resilience. It was frustrating when catching a cold could set me back 3 months, but i have been improving in tiny increments for 6 years mainly through understanding cellular energy, DIY-GET and mostly NADH (my personal silver bullet. began with 5mg and peaked at 100mg some days as i became increasingly active, then as required..these days B3 seems to be working as a substitute or partial substitute).
It seems that the trick of GET (or GAT) comes down to self awareness/wisdom; i find it hard to believe someone else could make a firm schedule without the real risk of tapping out someone’s energy banks. Pacing seems like just the minimal, subsistence level of GET/GAT to me.
My heart goes out to all of us, thanks Dan
Hi Anthony.
Well done for making it your own – that’s great.
You are right about the adrenal function being a big part of that, as well as some other dysfunctions!
The severe set-backs from colds/flu are linked to the adrenal function in my mind. So diet and supplementation during your well-times help rebuild.
Dan
Great post, Dan! While I do not have Fibro or CFS, your explanations make sense. From the limited information available on other neurological dysfunctions – as you know my husband has CRPS – your reasoning and approach sound like a recipe for success, even if it is gradual and small. Every case is different, so results will be tailored to each individual’s physical condition and determination. I do believe, from seeing my husband’s level of activity, that it is important to not overdo and to remain aware of the body’s limitations. I do agree with your analogy to peripheral vision. Respecting our physical abilities can move us forward better without the repercussions of overextending ourselves and then suffering a setback.
Thanks Lynn. You are one of the unsung heroes. Carers do such an important and difficult job. i appreciate your comment.
Mr. Nueffer,
I’m a CFS (22yrs) Fibro (3yrs) individual, who has questioned the connections between the ANS/SNS/CNS, neurological, and other body functions that are directly impacted by these conditions. When the ANS is hindered, the rest of the body systems sort of follow suit. Your blog post confirms and clarifies some of my personal posed inquiries to providers.
With underlying relativity to the Blood/brain/barrier thresholds, neurotransmitters, autoimmune dysfunction, it makes sense that the body reacts to both GET/pacing at different levels for each individual case. By these extremely variable and quite elusive conditions (CFS/Fibro/Me) the body systems and cellular structures are so widely different in degree there does not seem to be a simple answer to treatment for conditions still not readily understood.
For myself, its been a “pacing” method. Having to limit physical exertion, resting before and after doing so, finding the balance of exercise or stretching such as Tai Chi or basic yoga, does not seem to help. The crash comes in any regard. Hoping to someday see breakthroughs in research for the very REAL and sometimes debilitating effects of conditions such as CFS/Fibro. Thank you for all the work you do to bring about awareness and educating the public about the crucial information you’ve gathered.
Thank you very much for your comment.
My aim is to help people like yourself rediscover hope for recovery from ME/CFS and Fibro my sharing insights and a deeper understanding of how the illness works. So it is not about an academic curiousity or a comforting way to cope, but about real action steps towards recovering, even if you have been sick for decades like yourself or Abigail who recovered – http://cfsunravelled.com/another-story-of-someone-who-recovered-from-fibromyalgia-abigail-thurston/
Hi Dan,
we talked a bit about this and I told you I don’t know how to respond to this discussion because my physical recovery has been 100% intuitive…when I started looking at discussions about systematically adding exercise early on in my recovery…either graded or paced I glossed over…I ended up just doing my own thing.
by following my intuition I now have a developed yoga practice…I walk almost daily, often in the woods/mountains, I swim and I practice ecstatic dance — I do all those things as my body requires…when it asks to do them. I don’t do them when my body indicates rest is more important. Basically I’m getting healthy…by trusting my gut…and walking the line between pushing and not doing anything at all…
anyway, I still gloss over at the initial conversation about exercise…not sure why…but the article is hard for me to read and absorb in a meaningful way…but since you said you think these comments might be helpful to others, I’m sharing them here now.
here are a few more thoughts. I think that for me acceptance and embracing my situation is a large part of listening to my gut….that means if I have what appears to be a setback I try to relax into it and not blame myself. I think that the up and down nature…the non-linear nature of recovery is part of the deal…whether I’ve exercised or not….so for me…early on I realized that doing as much as I could to bring back strength to my body was really important. And so there are times I can do quite a lot and other times I really need to slow down…I’ve learned to ride those waves and not panic so much when I have what might appear to be a setback…because the fact is the trajectory is always going in the right direction and the “setbacks” are never taking me back to the beginning…and so I see that it’s just a part of the process…witnessing it calmly is good for my autonomic system…catastrophizing about it and imagining it’s my fault for doing something wrong is not…
okay! I hope that’s helpful. thank you very much for your most valuable work and for asking that I share my thoughts.
Thanks for your comment Monica and all the great articles you share on your site.
Your tapping in to your intuition is really powerful, much better than any rigid structure. This is a key part of the recovery process and creating a healing environment. Many people loose or suppress their intuition, which is unhelpful. Hence I think it’s great how you share your focus on this. If people listen to the recovery interviews, they will see that intuition is a big part of recovery.
Appreciate you adding to the conversation.
Dan
Good article. I have paced since the beginning, but my approach is very different now. I used to be really regimented and work it out in my mind, what I should/shouldn’t be doing. It was a confusing battle. Now my pacing is more adaptive and free flowing and I use body mindfulness adapted from Buddhist/Taoist mindfulness, which is less loaded. Less thinking, more being, more allowing, more lovingly detached observing, more listening, more kindness. My pacing used to be a bit brutal. lol. (I was very hard on myself as desperate to get well. Wellness is still my goal, but I’m not going to harm myself to get there!) 🙂
I had a seriously bad relapse from combined CBT & GET, the only good thing that came out of that is that I lost trust in the doctors and started to ignore their advice to ignore symptoms and keep pushing completely and start actually listening to my body & instincts. I found CBT depressing and guilt loaded. In my view, the issue is not a cognitive behaviour problem in the frontal lobe that can be talked and reasoned with (not with me, anyway), it’s more of an issue with the neural pathways in the deeper, limbic brain and reprogramming those faulty neural pathways that have been damaged through serious illness. Talking therapy will never fix it, but NLP & mindfulness approaches that seek to alter/retrain brain/body responses seem to really help me. It’s a really subtle difference and difficult to explain. It’s a bit like being mindful of well-being and cultivating a physical healing state rather than worrying about symptoms and trying to alter mind ‘behaviour’ as with CBT. I found CBT & GET exhausting, demoralising, frustrating and damaging. Why on earth it’s considered the best treatment for M.E. is crazy.
When using NLP & mindfulness techniques on the limbic brain (ANS?) alongside other tools, such as optimal nutrition and tackling specific physical issues with supplements & medication, lymph massage, meditation, and the more free flowing body mindfulness pacing, it really seems to be making a difference. I’ve gone from severe M.E. to moderate in about a year. I went to the cinema for the first time in 6 years the other day, the theatre 1st time in 10 years. I feel it’s only a matter of time now before I make a full recovery. Slowly day by day, month by month I notice the differences. I don’t have to ‘do’ GET, I’m just able to do more. It seems the smallest shifts can make the biggest differences. Not sure how to explain it really. You’re doing great work Dan. I find your words a great support on my healing journey. 🙂
Sorry for the long post, your words resonated! lol
I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD READ YOUR COMMENT!
Jen, the subtle differences you speak off are very much spot on in my view.
Of course, you can’t ‘harm yourself’ to recover. Pushing and grading activity like that won’t work for the reasons explained.
And with regards to CBT, well it all depends on the angle that is taken. Of course suggesting it’s all in your head makes no sense, but reconditioning your limbic brain response and your neuroassociation is KEY TO RECOVERY! I used meditation to create a base and then NLP to make the changes, but as you said, diet along the way is also critcial.
Thanks you very much for your comment.
Dan
if GET works: it’s CFS
if it makes you worse: you have ME
imho
Thanks for your thoughts.
It’s my view that CFS and ME are different labels for the same illness.
Chronic fatigue on the other hand is something completely different.
I think a lot of people who see CFS and ME as different, are treating the term CFS as meaning chronic fatigue!?
The syndrome is what describes the illness that includes all the symptoms we experience.
Than you for the valuable information Dan. For those who suffer from Lupus and CFS/ME it’s a complicated situation because the CFS/ME is chronic. Lupus comes with CFS as it is and Fibromyalgia is secondary to Lupus and generally is found with many Lupus patients.
I find this information very resourceful and will share it with my Lupus Support group.
Thank you for providing this information and keep up the good work!
Thanks for your comment Regina
Dear Dan
When I got diagnosed with ME/CFS by a locum GP here in England the NHS ME/CFS service sent me on a six session fortnightly course. Run by a physiotherapist and a Psychologist. The Physio seemed to me to be overly keen on GET and GAT. One of the sessions was about exercising daily gradually building up muscle tone etc , but I was not unfit just extremely short of energy. Still can not see were it fits in to recovery when energy is my major issue. As I type this have just had a total system failure due to my work , really ill but am still positive I can get thru it with time and a different approach , nutrition and Gupta Programme and stuff you discuss. Thanks Dan for your web site , like your Blog thingy always interesting.
Best regards Dave
Hi Dave – thanks for your poignant comment! You have hit it on the head, of course it was not about conditioning and no build up of muscle tone or fitness will fix your problem, because of course the problem was never caused by any lack of conditioning or muscle tone. It’s about treating the cause, what is causing the lack of energy and muscle tone?!?! The ANS of course. Hence your focus on nutrition and the Gupta Programme are excellent strategies. An appropriate form of GET may be appropraite at some time as part of yoru total program, but in isoloation based on the wrong premise, it is certainly doomed to fail!
Best regards,
Dan
Hi Dan,
Thanks – very interesting blog post, and this squares with my experience as well. There is a subtle distinction between listening to one’s body and focussing on symptoms. It is as if we need to first use intuition to tune into the body’s signals, doing this VERY BRIEFLY, but then immediately distract into something else. Any lingering attention on the body that has even a modicum of negativity or a negative representation can perpetuate the illness. And, I keep reading everywhere that recovery is all about having more fun, and engaging distractions. Easier said than done when you’re someone who has not been good at making time for fun. Cheers.
Thanks for your excellent comment Jesse – what you say about fun is so true, we lose our connection to life when we are sick enough, and the fun side of us gets very subdued. Awakening our joy in life is certainly part of the recovery story!
Dan
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Hi Dan and others,
So 7 years ago, I was mysteriously poorly for 2 years. Didn’t have obvious fatigue, but a lot of pain, dizziness. After the usual to-ing and fro-ing to the doctors etc with no useful help (and actually created more stress), I decided to go it alone, developed a level of acceptance, meditated, did the graded exercise by swimming – and increasing when my mind and body could cope with it, learned breathing techniques and how to calm myself when experiencing symptoms.
I got well.
Except I hadn’t made the link, between stress and my experience. I believed my body had become de conditioned because of the injury i had experienced…. or that I was over reacting,….
Several experiences after recovery caused huge stress. My house was broken into, whilst I was in it – they came into my room. I suffered extreme anxiety after this, each time I was in the house.
Anyway. So 7 weeks ago, after 4 years of uber cortisol levels, I crash. And it makes sense to me now that this is part of what I experienced before.
Reading your stuff Dan makes total sense to me. Basically, I need to re-wire that stress response system. I can build on what I learned last time, but with greater knowledge now about what the root cause is, and what will help me to recover properly, and hopefully, deal with my anxiety at the same time!
Hi Katie,
Glad the explanation for ME/CFS & Fibro resonated with you and that you have made such great progress!
Thanks for your comment. Wishing you continued improvement in your health.
Dan
Dan the Man! Thanks for this great article. I have read your amazing book CFS Unraveled and use Gupta Retraining techniques, and I’m well on the road to my 100% thanks to you and Gupta.
I have recently got over a quite strong head cold, with no CFS symptoms, which is the first time I have had an illness like a cold with no symptoms of CFS!
I currently go to the Gym and work out 3 times a week now, as you recommend in the book I have started with mainly strength/weight training exercises first, and grading in aerobic exercises. The physical benefits of consistent exercise alone is HUGE, and it aids the normalization/retraining process, it’s important that the exercise is fun so that you enjoy doing it and you will make it a habit and keep doing it.
I have found exercise to be profoundly important in my recovery from CFS. Illness is a natural part of life, but it can also be a trigger for many people with CFS. With my recent cold I almost felt like I was treading line with CFS symptoms sometimes, I could feel a fear/anxiety towards getting CFS symptoms but using techniques explained in your book and Gupta I feel I have successfully normalized/retrained where this didn’t happen on this occasion, but I realise there is still more work to do with more normalized/retrained required where this fear/anxiety trigger is completely normalised out of the system.
I like the point you make about Pacing being used as a coping/management strategy doesn’t led to recovery by it’s self. Pacing is a tool for recovery and should be used with grading and of course CNS normalization. One should not merely pace without grading and visa-versa.
Thanks Mav for your wonderful comments.
Great to hear that you have put together the distinctions and are benefitting from taking consistent action with a positive expectation.
Hope to be able to share our recovery story some time next year!
Best wishes,
Dan the Man
Hi Dan, I find this very interesting reading, thank you.
I’m about to do the Lightning Process and wonder now how it can poss. work after all I’m reading here re. CFS/ME. Do you recommend doing the training?
Absolutely it can work – in fact both Simon and Berit recovered using the lightening process. I believe in a multi-lateral approach, however, often a focussed approach that just focusses on the psychological and mind/body aspects of the ANS dysfunction can be effective as these are perhaps the most powerful & persistent triggers!
Dear Dan,
I would just like to say how wonderful your website and advice is. I caught ME/CFS about 6 years ago and it took me two years to recover. In the end it was exercise that stimulated my energy and recovery, just being able to walk and enjoy going out again after six months of being bedbound was one of the greatest pleasures.
The reason it took me so long to recover was perpetual fear of going back into a crash and constantly experiencing negative thoughts and not dealing with my ANS problems.
I recovered completely for 4 years but after tremendous stress of overdoing it and forgetting to respect my body I have had a small crash, a little reminder. I had forgotten all I compiled to get well and after I downloaded your book I feel that it is a better guide to remind me how to get well again than my own journey was.
I also always disliked the terms pacing and graded exercise because I hated the idea that I was limited but when I viewed it as part of the healing process and simply enjoying as much as I could it unlocked the key to my recovery.
This post has so wonderfully reminded me of that. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
J
Thanks for your positive comments J – yes, nothing like personal experience to really understand the subtelties around how to use exercise to recover from ME/CFS & FIbromyalgia. It would be nice to share your recovery story one day when your recovery is more robust again.
I’m clearly playing “catch-up” with your website, and have not yet read your book. (I have ordered it.) In the last few months I’ve come to realize that I am likely dealing with symptoms associated with CFS. This post and the ensuing comment thread is interesting to me because of the discussion around limits and perceived limits for recovery. I believe I came to where I am now through the unhappy confluence of my personality type (push-push, overcome, don’t stop) and an experience with the antibiotic ciprofloxacin four years ago. I became extremely ill, weak, and brain-dysfunctional, with considerable fatigue, muscular, connective tissue, and CNS damage, after taking cipro. Over the course of the next two years I did exhaustive research, as my doctors claimed no understanding of why I might respond in such a way to a commonly-prescribed antibiotic. Slowly I educated myself with respect to cipro’s potential to damage mitochondria and the ATP (and related) processes. I slowly recovered to 95% of former health, experiencing the relapses and discouragement common also to CFS sufferers. I considered myself “recovered” from those problems in 2013.
In the last few months I’ve experienced what I believe to be a “relapse” of many of those problems, but I’ve not taken cipro since the original incident four years ago. I now realize that long before taking cipro, and probably for all my life, I have lived an anxiety-based lifestyle, largely fueled by adrenalin. I believe it is the combination of my physiological, psychological, and emotional make-up which have led to my current condition, which I believe could be described as CFS. I fully understand your post here with respect to attitude; freeing the mind of expectations, limitations, and fear; and looking beyond expectations for a quick fix or a linear recovery. There is definitely a place for consideration of diet and the nutrients which provide fuel for the body, but failure to acknowledge the mind-body connection, as well as the damage and limitations imposed by a constant state of fear, stress, and anxiety, will prevent recovery. I, too, believe that for many people, there is a point (2 years? 7 years? different for all) at which we may simply surrender ourselves to the potential for recovery which is innate within us all. I also believe we can facilitate that by incorporating awareness, present-living, and mind-body modalities into our recovery process. Thanks for your wonderful work in this regard.
Hi Vicky, thank you for your comment. ME/CFS & Fibromyalgia certainly is a journey, often filled with frustration and quite some self-discovery. Creating a healing environment is key for recovery, as is understanding some of the more subtle thought patterns and physiological triggers that can trigger ANS dysfunction once the condition has established. I hope you find the explanation videos on how recovery happens useful also! 🙂
“But for the vast majority of people with ME/CFS & Fibro that experience symptoms crashes, you need to grade your activity in line with your ability whilst still keeping it within your symptom envelope.”
…You just described pacing. The ANS dysfunction is not the underlying cause of the disease, it is an effect of the underlying disease which is most likely caused by persistent immune activation due to chronic infection of the CNS and other tissues. If we were “subconsciously” limiting ourselves then how would we crash the first time around if we had no idea what our limits were? We learn to function within our limits (which change on a daily basis due to the known fluctuating nature of the disease) based on the signals that our body is giving us in the form of symptoms in response to exertion.
It’s very dangerous for you to suggest that pacing is not good for this disease. There is absolutely no evidence to support that claim and pacing is the only thing that can help prevent progression in severity of the illness. This disease is defined by pathological reaction to exertion. Graded exercise and forced activity via CBT will never be a valid treatment for this disease.
Thank you for your excellent comment. The distinctions between what is so helpful and what is detrimental is so fine that often the opposite sides of an argument are actually on the same page, which many realise once they look at the details.
So let me say that I do think pacing is very important, but the manner in which it is done is even more important. It’s the same with ‘graded’ exercise. I don’t like the word graded, because it implies you should be regimently increasing bit by bit, which most of us can attest to will inevitably lead to a crash. What is required is for this to be flexible and used in combination with other strategies and treatments!
So it’s my view that CBT and ‘graded’ exercise can be helpful for ME/CFS/Fibromyaliga, but I do fully agree with you that ‘forced activity’ is not good. Also I agree with you we are not SIMPLY limiting ourselves subconsciously – that is silly and I think anyone who has experienced an activity induced crash can testify to that. If you do the right measurements, you can see a huge range of measurable physiological reasons why we hit the wall – it’s NOT imagined or due to some sort of limiting belief – it’s a physical reality!
It seems where we differ is agreeing on the root driver here (the ANS dysfunction). The reason for why we crash the first time around is due to the initial stressors we experience (which may include infections or physical trauma like child birth, accidents etc.), which may or may not be exacerbated by an ANS dysfunction.
It’s a shame that you feel so vehemently opposed to my comments and views, given that I agree with most of what you say! But I appreciate your comment.
It seems to me that the real issue with many people promoting the benefits of CBT and GET is when they suggest that it overcomes issues of psychological limiting beliefs and lack of conditioning, when in reality, there are other real physiological drivers for the symptoms.
I’m opposed to any view that attributes any aspect of this disease to psychogenic/psychosomatic/functional/whatever you what to call it causes because there is no evidence for this and it’s actually impossible to prove with our current knowledge of the human brain.
We have to keep in mind that due to the metabolic abnormalities present in this disease, some of us are actually exercising just by simply existing due to the early switch to anaerobic metabolism that can occur even doing normal ADLs, or simply being awake in the severe cases. Compound this with the fact that many patients have co-morbid POTS and you can quickly see why exercise is an impossibility and can only lead to physiological damage. If you have POTS simply standing up to use the restroom will put your heart rate into exercise range.
I mostly agree with your second paragraph, however, I think think there would be very few people agreeing with your first paragraph.
In fact, I would be very surprised indeed if you yourself do not experience a worsening in your symptoms during periods of psychological (either mental from too much exertion or emotional) stress. This is a well known phenomenon. Perhaps you don’t recognise that this is psychosomatic – like heart attacks – these are often also psychosomatic – like IBS and many many other conditions. What I agree with is that it is not purely psychosomatic, because physiological stressors also have an impact (ie exercise etc.)
Hi Dan,
Firstly, thanks for an amazing website which I am going through now…and all the insights and explanations which make so much sense. And thanks for this excellent article. I was referred by my G.P to an exercise physiologist who specialises in CFS and uses graded exercise for recovery. While I found it very useful to keep a daily log of energy expenditure which was required and the gradual lessons they introduced in each session to teach me how to manage stress, stress triggers and my energy output and crashes, it was all really about management and not recovery. And I couldn’t see how just simply gradually increasing exercise daily could cure me!! This article just confirms what I thought. It frustrates me that the expectation is that the body will just learn how to cope with increases in physical activity – which is not always true. Like another lady commented here – I find the best way forward is to follow my intuition and trust my body’s signals as to what I can handle.
Hi Sarah,
It is frustrating when things don’t work out.
The point is that we need to address all our major triggers and retrain our nervous system to function normally whilst supporting our body to heal.
There are multiple reasons for the fatigue in ME/CFS/FMS, and where severe physiological dysfunction exists, intervention may be required. I discuss this in some detail in the ANS REWIRE recovery program.
The distinctions between success and failure are very subtle and require some depth of understanding, which makes this topic very frustrating. I have seen GET work, particular for people with less fatigue (like people diagnosed with Fibromyalgia), but it usually requires brain training and orthomolecular intervention in the most severe cases.
Dan, I love your depth of explanation! I go for walks. I try to follow your advice and not worry about how far, how fast. 5 months of walking and I just did a 3 hour hike up to a local peak and back, chatting with a friend the whole way. No crash, just tired as I should be, climbing a mountain and all:)
Great to hear Chris – thanks for sharing!
Hi Dan, Important information! Thank you! I have been ill for years, gradually getting worse and I was in denial for a long time, also because, when I had good days, people can’t believe there is something wrong with me. I am working with a ergo therapist now on how to pace but I realise now that I am impatient and when I crash it’s largely because of emotional stress like not being able to go to important things like for example the funeral of an uncle……..and the idea that people just don’t understand and think I am a drama queen or a sissy (not sure if that’s the right word here, English is not my first language). So basically what you’re saying is RELAX while pacing and don’t go for the results or something? Kind Regards, Heleen
Hi Heleen,
Great to hear you making deeper realisations into what’s going on. Indeed it becomes challenging to take a sensible approach because when we are ill so long, we change our perspective and expectations of what is reasonable.
Trying to help people understand you seems like a futile task at times – I think it’s often better to just minimise the conflict and not worry about what others think – of course, that’s easier said than done at times, especially around emotional events.
I discuss the approach in some detail in ANS REWIRE – but yes, having a relaxed attitude towards activity and pacing is important. Become over-vigilant and focussed on pacing (which most of us end up doing) can actually be quite counterproductive in my experience.
im no medical expert, but ive lived with cfs/fm all my life. nearly 50 yr although the name changes overtime my condition does not get better. i used to be very active and ignored the pain. i loved extreme sports and cant accept i wasnt enthusiastic about exercise. i also was accustomed to breaking limbs…..but slowly and gradually as i hit my mid twenties i had to slow down until my body crashed around 25 (from a dental preceedure). i used GET to build back up after 6months of a dream like state. At the time i had my dream job and loved it. but wasnt capable of doing it due to cognitive impairment and all the usual cfs symptoms which never died down. few years later i nearly died from classic glandular fever (steroids saved my life).
since then my body has been useless to put it mildly. i tried extreme sports again thinking yeah lets go, but never was able to achieve a breakthrough like previously.
luckily i had some money so payed privatly to see a specialist who advised me to learn to live with my condition i was over 30 its only going to get worse. he also explained cfs is a generic group and eventually it will split into more subdivisions as we learn the causes. in my case my biology was wrecked from 3 rounds with glandular fever and combined with age he doubted a recouvery. at the time i thought what a nasty thing to say and was determined to get back to my dream job. i got a new bike and tried to get things building back up. all with disasterous effects. 4 yrs later i gave up.
my point is not everyone with cfs is in the same boat. id like to see a different name for short term cfs which i agree is responsive to GET after the body has had a chance to recoup. Its insulting to the poor people with long term cfs who arnt improving like myself.
yes i agree if you just lie down youl get alot worse due to deconditioning. But i recently read about two ex olympic athletes who have contracted cfs and say even they cant push through this hump and both admit each year they are doing less and less activity.
to me theres burn out cfs and biological cfs caused by trauma and count your blessings if your body re ballanced after.
alot more needs to be done and medical people seem to grab the positives and dismiss the horror stories as they arnt trying. until i realised there are others who just cant get over it, i was beating myself up mentally. knowing two pro athletes who were trained to run through the wall couldnt then i finally was able to get some peace in my head. and understand my dr warning about buying into the statements of i got over cfs by……
i do as much as i can and work two afternoons a week for 2-3 hours. my dr used to try selling GET until he saw the effects on me.
its a shame we only promote the success stories and dont seperate busted from burn out.
Can you tell me why then I hear about a gallery opening (one of my favorite things) that one of my friends is having and I tell her I will see her there but before I can even get there I am too tired to drive! I was not thinking about pain. I was excited and wanted to go. I wound up disappointing my friend and myself.
Because we are triggered by too much activity. Flare ups are NOT imagined or ‘psychological’ – these are real physical processes and understanding how and WHY they come about is key to resolving them and recovering from ME/CFS/Fibromyalgia/POTS.
Keep it simple get a heart rate monitor and use objective data on manage activity. If you sleeping HR is up you did too much the day before and most. Likely your sleep quality and quantity is compromised.
Rest enough to have good sleep data. Do anaerobic exercises under anaerobic threshold.
Hi Dan, I am a “graduate” of your book and video course. I am about 99 percent recovered. The five years between crashes ended with my graduated exercise routine and not paying attention to my energy level. Not only with exercise but with all aspects of my life. I thought I was superwoman and never anticipated another crash. That was when I found you online. I have not returned to my exercise routine yet and might never go back to the level I was doing. I am painfully aware of my energyl level all of the time. What helps me the best is a great night’s sleep. That seems to be key to keeping me feeling well. Thank you again for keeping the conversation alive!!
Thanks for your comment Susan.
It’s wonderful to hear that you recovered your health using ANS REWIRE.
Take your time to adjust and enjoy a healthy way of engaging with life. Hope to share your testimonial/recovery story one day soon. 🙂
Makes sense. I’ve been coming to a similar conclusion, naturally. I figure I would do body weight exercises and only 1 set of each vs undertaking a faster, more vigorous workout that utilizes various pieces of equipment including dumbbells. Using light bands for the exercises that are for physical therapy vs the heavy weight bands I know I can use and did use while in PT a couple of months ago. Trying a pilates or yoga-type of stretching workout rather than another higher energy/low impact workout. Including an element of focus and relaxation. Focusing on learning to breathe properly to try to soothe frazzled nerves and decrease stress which abounds in my life. Stress is my #1 issue. Since it’s not going anywhere I need to figure out how to cope with it rather than letting it send my hormones into hyper-overdrive. Instead of focusing on what I am not doing… that I can,or USED to be able to do, I am trying to see that I am able to *reserve* energies for other aspects of daily life. I still get flares, but it’s those times that I allow myself the opportunity to just lay around for a day or two vs getting ticked off by what I cannot do. It’s a chance for rest rather than an inconvenience. Trying to change the perfectionist in me. Trying to change my level of expectation within all arenas of life. It takes quite the toll having to live up to a bar that I either cannot reach or easily maintain. The mental shift in and of itself, can be healing.
thank you
I believe it’s caused by toxins: vaccines, glyphosphate in food, chlorine in water, air pollution….detox is very important
Hi Alice,
Many things trigger people becoming with ME/CFS, Fibromyalgia and POTS.
But the question is, why are they DIFFERENT?
Not everyone has detox issues!
Hence a more comprehensive explanation for the root cause of the illness is required as I outline here.
Hi your titles sound alarmist and negative. Why frame it that way? Why not call it “How to make Pacing work for you” and “How to use GET in your recovery” ??
I guess it was first called that because GET is a little bit controversial in the community and many people see exercise as detrimental.
I am never that sure what to call posts or how to best structure the website – so thanks for the feedback.
Kieran makes a good point! Having just read this again following my full recovery, I can really appreciate the differences in how the brain will interpret what you’ve written compared to when I first read it when I was “recoverING”! As I now try to advocate recovery I’d love to share this but it’s the title that’s off-putting.
How can we reach those who are more severely affected with CFS/ME/FMS? They’ve experienced so much “non-acceptance” of actually being ill and (especially here in UK) lived through all the negativity regarding GET and the PACE Trial, that they have an auto-response to discard anything even mildly connected to the term GET!
What do you think is a better title that conveys the article and sparks interest?