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Show Notes
In this heartfelt video, I share my decade-long journey supporting recovery from illnesses like ME/CFS, Fibromyalgia, and POTS. I discuss my personal experiences with recovery, the challenges faced, and how resilience plays a crucial role. Despite severe health setbacks, I emphasize the uniqueness of each recovery journey and the importance of maintaining a balanced perspective. Tune in for insights and motivation to help fuel your own path to recovery.
Timestamps
Introduction | 0:00:00 |
Can recoveries last after ME/CFS/Fibromyalgia/POTS/MCS/PVFS/long-covid? | 0:02:01 |
Dan’s experience with recovery | 0:06:11 |
Dan’s health challenges these last 6 years | 0:08:34 |
Dan’s recovery resilience | 0:13:27 |
3 Take-aways about recovery resilience | 0:14:00 |
Silver lining from my challenges | 0:16:37 |
Apologies to all the interviewees | 0:17:14 |
Recovery Resources & Final Message | 0:17:49 |
Links
Here is a link to the ANS REWIRE program.
Transcript
Okay, this video has been six years in the making. It gets a little bit personal here, a little bit of heart on my sleeve. Here we go. I've been supporting people with recoveries from this group of illness for over a decade now. And one of the things they tend to ask me about is my own recovery. Okay. My first response has always been that the question is inappropriate.
Not because it's personal, but because it's not necessarily relevant to the person asking. And what I mean is that the way we all get triggered into the illness in the first place differs. Our recovery journeys are somewhat unique, even if common themes and strategies exist. Our challenges are often unique, or at least the way we experience them is unique. And so whether other people stay recovered or have relapses after their recovery, it's not an indicator of what you will experience. It's important to recognize that neither recovery nor relapses are passive experiences. I don't think they're spontaneous.
Things happen, responses are made, actions are taken. These things shape our experiences. They shape what our body and nervous system experiences. Now before I share what I've been struggling with over the last few years, let me just say that the way I've thought about this whole recovery resilience has certainly changed.
So early on in my recovery, I had a short relapse. I don't quite remember when this was. I think it was in the first year. I've spoken about it many times. I won't go into all the details what triggered it here, but I'll say it was sudden and severe. What was interesting was that after several days, I snapped out of my deer in the headlights response and I took some active steps.
And what happened next? It really shocked me because I had a sudden and extreme reversal and recovered fully and really, really quickly. In fact, I think, you know, the whole thing was a bit bizarre. It really kind of challenged my own thinking of what was possible and even how I think about the illness.
But even before this happened, I have to admit, I, I always felt vulnerable. When I recovered, I probably spent the first years kind of looking over my shoulder, waiting for the hammer to drop. And whilst fully recovered and being able to work full time, exercise normally, drink a little bit of alcohol or go nights with a little sleep due to travel or work or whatever, and even endure high amounts of severe stress, you know, lifestyle kind of life stresses.
I still felt kind of vulnerable. As I spoke with more and more people who had recovered, hundreds of people as the years progressed, there was one meeting in particular that really challenged my way of thinking of what was possible. And that was my interview with ultra marathon swimmer Beth French. And let me say straight out that, I have views around endurance sports that may not be popular with everyone.
In summary, I don't believe they're healthy for anyone. I think they're unnatural. And if you consider the original marathon runner, Pheidippides, well, that should be a big clue. But now, since I recovered, I've done all kinds of exercise, including very strenuous exercise, hiking for days in the heat, swimming long distances.
Not marathons, anything like that. But, you know, swimming two or three kilometres at a time. I've played sports, including very intense sports. You know, the only thing that I probably never felt comfortable doing because it's part of the way I was triggered originally in my illness was heavy duty weight exercise.
I just, I don't like that feeling now. But certainly I have exercised with weights. You know, that's why I'm so huge, right? But hearing how Beth exercised and trained without problems, it really kind of challenged what I thought was possible after recovery. Now, not everyone can push themselves like that.
In fact, I strongly recommend against severe pushing. Um, like with endurance sports like that, not just for people with the illness, but for everyone. Others might disagree, that's okay. So, what about my own recovery resilience? Well, again, let me say that other's experience, it doesn't mean that much. So even if I was to be severely ill again and bed bound, it doesn't change the validity of the book, the program, and everything I teach.
We have to understand how the illness works and the challenges around recovery and what we can do to negotiate all of that. And recovery is never from some magic cure. And even if people relapse, it doesn't mean that it didn't work what they did to get well. I say this because I think it's essential that we think about all this in the right way and that we don't have this black or white thinking.
Or enough qualifying. Here's my experience. At the time of making this video, I first recovered from ME/CFS Fibro and POTS around 13 years ago. As I mentioned, I had a severe but very short flare up in my first year or so. Since then, I was fully well, able to live a normal life, normal work, normal sleep, food, exercise, you name it.
I don't think anyone would differentiate me from a normal healthy person in any way. What was interesting is that I would say that, I've had a stronger than normal resilience against getting infections. In the first 5 years after my recovery, where I probably applied the learnings from my recovery more to daily life, I never got sick.
I literally didn't even have a cold once. Pretty weird. I don't think I ever experienced that any time even in the years before I had CFS Fibro POTS. But since I've recovered, I've had three infections of note. The first one, my family came down with the flu. This is probably about five years after I recovered.
And it was really severe. I mean, for a family that was all healthy and resilient, it was surprising to see us all in bed for the best part of a week. But it was interesting to note that the flu infection actually seemed to hit me the hardest. I had pretty severe pain and inflammation, in my assessment, worse than the rest of the family.
The second was COVID. Now our experience for us, was that it wasn't as severe as the flu, but it was pretty unpleasant, especially in the first four days. Again, I would say that the pain and inflammation that I experienced was worse than the others. The third was a second COVID infection, which was much milder. The aftermath of the COVID infections, I was fine, uh, although the first time with COVID, I had a lot of breathlessness and it took about six to eight weeks for me to be able to exercise again. And it took about two or three weeks the second time around.
Now to talk about my more recent health challenges. this. About six years ago, I had an emergency appendectomy. In hindsight, the surgeon suggested I actually had appendicitis two years earlier, which was misdiagnosed, and even though I had been hospitalised at that time. So, when it flared up again, it was very severe. I was in a pretty bad state internally. I had gangrene and I had severe inflammation in my abdomen way beyond the actual appendix.
However, I was lucky to survive this, six weeks later, my checkup with the surgeon, I was back to 100 percent health. One week after that, I noticed a little pain in my abdomen. To cut a long story short, within a couple of months, I had such restriction of pain that I couldn't stand up straight anymore. I could barely have a shower.
Now I'm going to spare you all the details, but to cut the long story short, after many tests, I was diagnosed with adhesive disease. Despite all my efforts to resolve this, I've only had limited success. The only recognized treatment is surgery, but of course that causes the problem. So there's a significant likelihood that it would come back, possibly worse, which could lead to bowel restrictions. So we're talking about life threatening issues and these problems have led to musculoskeletal issues. On top of that, I had a series of severe health issues that occurred leading up to the onset of the pandemic. These were very severe and included a failed vein in my upper leg, a collapsed lung from a botched treatment and a severe adverse medical event from extreme pain due to popped rib, which happens with these kinds of problems.
And none of these issues were connected to CFS, POTS or fibro in any way. Despite ending up in ER and being urged to go several other times, I'm still here. I can't detail all of my experience because it's too lengthy and frankly, a little bit dramatic, bordering on the ridiculous.
To give you some ideas, when all three separate health events that I mentioned here coincided and the ambulance was called, I actually broke up in hysterical laughter because the whole situation seemed so ludicrous. I mean, how could all of this happen at once? On top of this, in a perfect storm that life presents sometimes, there have been a number of other personal family challenges.
Not unique to me, I'm sure. These things happen. It's part of life, unavoidable to some extent. I think this would have been difficult for anyone to cope with. But with these ridiculous health challenges on top, it pushed me right to the edge of what I could cope with. Not just physically, but also mentally.
But I'm still here.
And then recently, I tore my meniscus in my knee. I'd actually regained much physical function. I was able to play competitive sport, strangely enough. The worst thing about it was having to sit in an umpire chair at times, which would lead to me having to go home and lie down. Because in fact, sitting, crouching, anything that puts pressure on my abdomen is the worst for me.
So that makes driving and travel very difficult, sometimes impossible. I must admit the strain has been difficult. I've been pushed mentally beyond my ability to cope many times. Often when my muscles are spasming at night, robbing me of sleep in my abdomen and my oblique muscles, I often only get two or three hours of sleep a night, sometimes for weeks.
It's not like the CFS Fibro sleeplessness, because if I could lie down and not feel like my muscles were being pulled off the edge of my ribcage, I'd be asleep in two minutes. But, my ability to work has been impacted, which is why in the last five years my efforts have been prioritised to support people in the program with their recovery, with less time spent on podcasts and other advocacy efforts.
You know, I have many interviews not published, many podcasts not published. Frankly, some of the joint efforts I've done with people I've felt terrible for not publishing. But the heavy topics that have been a bit too close to home for me to address. What I can say is that despite all of this crazy stuff in the last five years, I have not relapsed with CFS Fibro or POTS.
And to be frank, I found this shocking at times. I'm not saying that I'm infallible or that I can't relapse. I'm just saying that I've been fortunate enough not to have that additional strain and what has already felt like untenable circumstances at times. So why am I sharing this? I'm hoping that you're going to get several things out of this video.
Number one, recoveries can be very resilient despite extreme stressors. I've seen this many times with people. Even people with severe health challenges or severe life events get recovered and stay recovered. I've spoken to people that have been recovered for multiple decades, presumably their whole life.
That of course doesn't mean that anybody is bulletproof or can't relapse. And it definitely doesn't mean that we should live a life of pushing excessively. Nobody should, regardless of whether they've had health challenges or been in perfect health all their lives. Unfortunately, we live in a culture where pushing chronically is considered the norm and no pain, no gain way of thinking.
‘You can do anything’ way of thinking and we bombarded with these messages everywhere. Everyone is special. Everyone is the best. We must drive towards that. It sounds positive or aspirational, but I just don't think it's based in reality. I think it's a bit toxic. There's nothing wrong with living a normal, healthy life.
We don't all have to be astronauts, Olympians, Nobel Prize winners. I hope you take what I'm saying on board and recognise that everything is okay, that we strive for and do as long as we do it in the right measure. And number three, stop measuring yourself by others’ experience. You know, I always dodged or qualified the question about my experience, not because I don't have a good story to tell, but because it's the wrong question.
And realize I'm not talking just about staying recovered, but also about how you get recovered in the first place. I had someone ask me recently whether I solely did what was in the ANS REWIRE program to recover. Actually, I, I didn't do many of the things in the program because I either didn't know of them at the time or because they weren't relevant to me.
The key is tailoring your recovery approach. It's not whether you or others recover quickly, slowly or relapse. It's about understanding how and why these things occur so that you can do what you need to in order to be healthy and enjoy your life. So, there you have it. It wasn't easy for me to talk about all these things, but out of this terrible time that I've been experiencing, I felt there was this one positive message that I want to share with you all.
And that is that recoveries can be resilient. And whether you're facing ME, CFS, post viral fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, POTS, or any other chronic condition, remember, your journey is unique. And so is your path to resilience. I also wanted to take a moment to say sorry to all the wonderful people who've helped me to create wonderful content with joint projects and interviews, sharing their stories.
I feel I've let you down by not publishing these in recent years, but with the limited resources I've had, my focus has simply been on helping people that needed it directly. I hope you can forgive me for that. And my hope is that I will find the capacity to share these wonderful stories and resources and create more content for the channel.
In fact, I'm trying to do that right now with shorter videos like this. So I hope to share more of these kind of insights with you and so to ensure that you don't miss out, please make sure you’re subscribed and that you're getting notifications. I'd really appreciate a like on the videos that helps others discover these videos also.
If you haven't been following the channel long, check out some of the existing videos and podcasts and the wonderful recovery stories. There's heaps of content to help you accelerate your recovery progress. Also, you can download my free eBook Discover Hope using the link in the description.
I hope you found this video helpful. I would certainly appreciate a comment below to hear your thoughts. Thank you for spending your time with me today. Remember, life has its ups and downs, we never know what's around the corner, good or bad. So, make the most of every day that you have and one way or another, we're all in this life together.
Let's do our best to help each other. I hope this video helped you in some way to make your day a little bit better and to help fuel, your recovery motivation.
Other Resources
CFS Unravelled is the book that started it all, outlining the explanation for the pathogenesis of ME/CFS, Fibromyalgia, POTS, MCS and related syndromes and explaining how recovery is possible.
All my email subscribers receive additional FREE resources like my book Discover Hope. So consider subscribing and reading the book to rediscover hope.
To learn how other people recover, listen to the recovery interviews!
If you would like to learn more about the ANS REWIRE program, check out the 4 free intro lessons or visit the ANS REWIRE website.
Check out some other recent episodes
You can see the full list of episodes HERE.
Hi Dan thank you for sharing your experiences and giving hooe that recovery can be possible despite life’s challenges. I am familiar with resilience but I am still working towards a better level of recovery which takes time. From my journey with CFS/ME I feel it isn’t just a physical physiological dysfunctional condition as I also think it’s our whole way of living and what we are doing to take care of ourselves mentally emotionally and physically. I have had to completely look at everything in my life to heal and repair and I now feel i am evolving to… Read more »
Thank you Caroline.
Yes, during recovery we need to evolve to engage differently with life, glad you are connecting with that.
I’m so sorry to hear about your struggles. Thank you for opening up and sharing. And thank you for your work even though your health is difficult!
I appreciate that Anna = felt very uncomfortable.
The fact that you are still thinking about us is incredible.
You are an amazing man..Dan.
Thank you for making this video and proving how incredibly resilient recovery can be.
Everyone you have been in contact with will be praying for your health.
You are much loved.
Thank you so much Lesley.
I think serving others has helped me get through some dark difficult times.
Thank you Dan for sharing the personal insights! Very helpful video about resilience after recovery. Interestingly, I have also not even had the sniffles or any infection since I got ill 1.5 years ago.
You’re a very good, empathic teacher. Your great effort is very much appreciated!! I could not have done this without your education
Ella
Hi Ella,
My no sniffles resilience came in after I recovered – when I had CFS/Fibro/POTS I seemed to catch anything and everything all the time.
But interestingly, folk experiencing this illness seem to fall into one of two camps whilst they are sick – catch everything or catch nothing. The first is easy to understand, the second I am not sure if it comes from a clean diet or whether it’s due to how the ANS is regulating the immune system. I often wonder about this.
Thank you Dan Wishing you health and happiness. You certainly helped me improve and my recovery is continuing Clare
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Thanks Dan. Appreciated hearing your story and the person behind ANS Rewire.
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I’m so sorry to hear you’re going through so many more extreme health challenges, Dan. It doesn’t seem fair, considering you’ve dedicated your life to helping people recover from a big health one. I have to say, one of the lessons I learned in recovery was the importance of a good mental attitude. Your program taught me that, so through every other life challenge, that has been my liferaft. When I feel myself getting overwhelmed, that stop sign still pops up in my mind, and I automatically seek out something positive or beautiful to look at. It’s made life so… Read more »
❤️❤️ – thank you Shannon.
I have tried to lean into my own lessons during this time and my students often become my teachers.🙏
Hi Dan, thanks for this vidéo. I am going right now threw a significant relapse, with the result of feeling guilty not to succeed in my recovery Journey as fast as some other people that i know. I need to stop to compare my self and focus on my goal: recovery. Plus thank you to testify that recovery once you get there is very résilient. That is réassuring. Finaly, wish you thé best for your other Health issue. People who had or have me/ cfs should have i ticket for a life with out any other health problem!… unfortunatly that… Read more »
There is always a spread in terms of how long it takes to recover – it’s not solely about what we do – it’s complicated.
I think it’s really important to simply focus on progress not some end-goal.
Thanks for your kind words.
Hi Dan, thanks for this vulnerable video. Thanks for having the courage to share it. I’m so sorry for the suffering you are experiencing. But I’m thankful that you shared the message that in the midst of all of this, your CFS didn’t come back. That’s an important message to share, and we’re thankful you were willing to tell this story. All the best to you from someone who did your program and has improved significantly!
Thank you Ann 🙏
Thank you Dan for this
It has been invaluable for me to hear that resilience is possible despite such challenges.
I hope things become easier for you .
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My oh my oh my. So many thoughts. I will forget half of them, but let me start with commending you for making this choice your best choice:). Sharing your story must have been so hard for many reasons. But for those of us in recovery it meant so much that you did. For those of us wondering about how resilient our own recovery is, you have eased our minds some and given us – once again – hope. I am so sorry you had to struggle these past few years, but if someone had to go through this I… Read more »
Hi Bev
Thanks for your kind words and your thoughts about the program.
I have considered this, it’s not so easy to make it work.
Ideally I would have created a practitioners training program, but it’s never happened.
I actually would like to extend ANS REWIRE significantly to include many of the additional learnings from the last few years, but I have not had the bandwidth for it – hope they get to be shared one day.
You are such a beautiful person Dan. I’ve watched you for years constantly sharing, giving, always honest, brilliant, dedicated, cheerful, and for those who need healing. Hearing of your trials in life and health is indeed painful. And again – I see that even in this situation the focus of your presentation is on US! Wow. That’s a lot. Some of us have who have piles of things that we’ve not been able to finish for years now understand the regrets of not following through on everything we’ve promised. The world has room for this so let it go, value… Read more »
Thank you so much – feeling very blessed to receive all this kindness 🙏❤️
Thank you for sharing your journey. Sorry it’s been such a challenging road, but your story very much supports the notion that ME/CFS recovery can leave one strong enough to get through whatever else tumbles down the mountain onto you. It also emphasizes the depth of your empathy, as you worked with patients while struggling with these added illnesses yourself.
🙏❤️ Thank you Mishka
Good to hear from you Dan, now and then I wonder how you are doing as I am very grateful for the ANS Rewire program. The human body does what it does, parts break down and we need to understand how special it is when we are not in pain or a recovery process of some sort. I’m glad to learn that you have been in good medical care and repairing all your broken bits, of which I would agree is a lot to take for one guy. Yup, we each take our own special journey with CFS and recovery.… Read more »
Thank you Liz for your kind words.
Hi Dan,
Thank you for sharing your personal story and being so vulnerable. Wow, you have had and have quite some challenges on your plate. Really sorry for you.
I am wishing you all the best and lots of love and light!!
Warm regards,
Celine
P.s. I know you send the video to show how resilient recovery can be, even in the midst of a lot of heavy stuff happening in ones life. Thanks for that, for thinking about the people who are still recovering and using the program. Just wanted to wish you well first 🙂
Thank you Celine – I am glad you saw the value in it.
Hi Dan, thank you for sharing these challenges and the fact that you are not only doing much better, but that you have maintained your recovery. I’m sorry to hear that you have had so many health challenges, and now appreciate even more how often you take the time to answer my questions. Hopefully you will find a safe treatment for the adhesions.
Thank you Marci – onwards and upwards.
Oh Dan…thank you for sharing your harrowing experiences and your continued challenges. It made me very sad but sharing what you did also was a great lesson in resilience in terms of CFS etc. I wish you nothing but the best as you navigate all these newer health issues. You have inspired me over the years and I cannot express enough how grateful to you I am for all you have done for me personally and of course many others. Sending well wishes!!!💜
Thank you Louise – much appreciated ❤️
This was very helpful. I applaud you in being transparent !
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Dear Dan – your transparency, vulnerability, resilience and tenacity are a wonderful inspiration. Your programme and book were very helpful to me. A message of staying true to our own recovery journey is even more powerful coming from someone who is currently ill. I felt great compassion when you talked about how yet more illness felt like an absurdity after battling chronic illness for so long. I have had fibro/cfs/me alongside many other ridiculous illnesses and injuries for over 30 years yet I consider myself to be one of the healthiest people I know. I have learned to do everything… Read more »
Thank you for your kind words and your wisdom: “the fact that actually I’m not in control of what may unfold” – I think this is a really important coping mechanism ❤️👍🙏
Thank you for sharing this, Dan. It’s never easy to be vulnerable, but in this case I think it’s healing. I’m sorry to hear of your struggles, and I just want to say that I will be praying for complete and total healing for you. Being sick and suffering is difficult in so very many ways. Be encouraged. You are not alone. Linda
Thank you so much Linda – wasn’t easy, but hopefully it has some value for many of you.
Thank you so much Dan for sharing this. I’m so sorry for what you’re going thru. Life can be so cruel and our bodies so fragile.
Thank you again for the message of hope for a resilient cfs recovery, it *is* encouraging and helpful to hear that message.
Glad you were supported by it Sally.
Thank you for your kind words.
Hi Dan, Thank you SO much for this heart-full video. I am truly sorry for all the struggles you have faced and am deeply grateful for how you continue to turn your personal challenges into healing opportunities for yourself and others. You are truly an inspiration to me for sharing so honestly, and for showing by example that true recovery is really about remembering to use our hard-won tools and wisdom in the face of life’s next round of challenges. I completed the ANS Rewire program – after being ill for over 20 years – shortly before COVID shut the… Read more »
Thank you so much for your kind words and all the feedback – really appreciate it. ❤️❤️
Hi Dan, thank you for sharing all these personal, sincere and educational information. I have also experienced the perfect storm that put me in this situation. I hope I will recover with the help of your program. Regards from Sweden
You are welcome!
Go for it Linda – collect evidence of your progress to build your confidence that you can get there.
Thank you Dan for all the support & hope you provide in all your videos, esp. this one. I am sorry to hear about all your health challenges you’ve endured since your recovery. It sounds like your handling it all with great resilience. It’s something I’ve worked on daily for years & it makes all the difference in living with fibro & several chronic illnesses. Recently found out I need to get neck, back, & foot surgery procedures. A little overwhelmed with this as I’m still experiencing fibro symptoms & severe pain daily & don’t want to do anything to… Read more »
Well Marcy – I have had my moments like all of us.
Glad you are feeling supported – sorry to hear about the surgeries.
Hope things go smoothly and that you make some recovery progress soon.
So sorry you have been going through such a hard and dark time. There is no pain so hard to bear as gut pain in my experience. I can hear how difficult this episode was for such a private person, so thanks for letting us know – not really because you owed it to anybody, but because we care and are so very thankful for all you’ve done. As others have mentioned, if there is any help that we can give, please let us know. I am rubbish at things like editing, but am a pretty good proofreader 😉 Best… Read more »
Thank you Gretchen – I will keep it in mind. ❤️
Dan, a deep heartfelt thank you for sharing your vulnerability, insight and hard earned wisdom in this video. For connecting in such an authentic way, and thus pointing the way for many of us. I am a full year into my full recovery, thanks to you and ANSREWIRE. What you provided in the program was a roadmap I referred to over and over again. It is BRILLANT !! I cycled through the program many, many times, listening deeply, taking new things in each time. Slowly, slowly building my confidence. I was touched by your use of the word resilience in… Read more »
Thank you for your kind words.❤️
Dear Dan, thank you for sharing another part of your life and your experience in this video. Sorry to hear you sufferd such bad conditions but still I am so glad that you are “still here”. Wish you all the best!!! And hug you tight!
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